Interview with Sigmar Gabriel, former German Vice-Chancellor and current President of the "Atlantic Bridge".
"What we need is a surplus of hope"
Sigmar Gabriel, former German Vice-Chancellor and current President of the Atlantic Bridge, discusses people’s disorientation, politics’ alienation from the citizenry, and ways out of polarization. And he has words of encouragement: “Europe is the only continent where it took less than a single human lifetime to transition from Auschwitz to Strasbourg.”
That world order no longer represents the world of today. You can see it best in the UN Security Council. The five permanent members there still include two Europeans. Not one African country, not one Latin American country, and India is missing as well – in those days, India was a colonial territory, and today it’s the most heavily populated country on earth. The former global order is breaking up or gone already. We live in a world with no strong peacekeepers. American political scientist Ian Bremmer talks of a “GZERO” world, drawing on the “G20,” which represents the most important industrialized and emerging economies. We live in a world with no order, and don’t yet know how we’ll arrive at a new global order.
Polarization becomes a threat when it allies itself to resentment and begins to think in terms of “friend or foe.” Up to now, parties in Germany have been competitors, not enemies. It’s been different in the USA for years now – Republicans and Democrats there have become genuine enemies, fighting against the other side to protect the country from a presumed collapse if the other side gets into power. But anybody who’s convinced their competitor will ruin the country is also willing to resort to means that are actually forbidden in a democracy and in a state that obeys the rule of law. All at once, the ends come to justify the means. What was supposedly going to be protected gets destroyed. The USA is at risk of having that happen.
With the rise of the AfD party, and now also with the Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance, friend-or-foe thinking and resentment have also returned to Germany. Along with an unbelievable heartlessness and coldness of the kind I’m seeing for the first time in Alice Weidel and Sahra Wagenknecht. I shudder to think that these political movements might achieve majorities in Germany. But we can do something about that. Up to now the democratic parties have left a no man’s land in areas like migration and internal security, and made promises that they ultimately couldn’t keep. That too leaves a gap for populists to fill. The two formerly big people’s parties especially, the SPD and CDU/CSU, have it in their power to correct these mistakes.
Here again, we mustn’t push the panic button. After all, current surveys show that between 70 and 80 percent of our electorate haven’t been taken in by the polarizers. On the other hand, we mustn’t misinterpret that as meaning that those 70 to 80 percent are satisfied with what the democratic parties are offering. Just the opposite. That’s why the most important task is first to keep this strong, democratic center stable. For that, politicians, parties, and occasionally also the media, have to deal more seriously with the topics that they’ve been sidestepping up to now because those things are unpleasant to deal with. What’s very certainly the wrong way is to retreat into cozy political-party dens where everybody promises each other what the party itself has been considering desirable for years. Get out into life, into Germany’s everyday lives and openness and curiosity about what people in our country are getting done, what they’re afraid about, and what they hope to get from government. Years ago, I told my party, you’ve got to go where things hurt, where things may smell and sometimes even stink. Because that’s the only place we’re needed. I got all sorts of applause for that – only nobody did it.
One thing we can just quit doing is constantly talking about an election campaign “against the right.” First of all, in Germany you’re allowed to be on the right, and also a nationalist conservative. What we need to defend against is right-wing radicals, right-wing extremists, and right-wing terrorists. To counteract those, we need to talk about the topics that push voters toward the extreme-right populists. The same goes for Sahra Wagenknecht’s national Bolshevik movement. The parties need to deal much more seriously with the underlying anxieties and the reasons for our people’s disorientation. That doesn’t mean doing a better job of explaining policies, which gets mentioned so often – our citizens understand the topics very well, they just want other positions and measures. An exemplary case there is migration, which these days is issue Number One, especially among right-wing populists. If the democratic parties aren’t able to agree on effective solutions to the migration question that can be put into action through the rule of law, that topic is still going to be a defining issue in the next Bundestag election too.
I’m certain it would also be a task for politicians to make it much clearer once again that attractive conditions for investment and innovation in Germany don’t mean pouring out floods of money to economically powerful companies. Instead, it means we’re protecting Germany’s ability to innovate and compete, and thus ultimately everything we and our children and grandchildren want to enjoy in our country. Ultimately even the “Green Deal” for a climate-friendly Europe will only be possible if it’s preceded by economic capability. That would be the first step in generating a surplus of hope.
Workforces are a mirror of society. Ultimately, management might be facing the same populist expressions of opinion and outbursts of rage that we experience in politics. The task is to resist shrinking away from them, and instead to take employees’ concerns and anxieties seriously, and try and find out how to ease the surplus of anxiety these people are feeling.
On top of that, of course, in the recent past there have been conflicts between the two countries that have also had effects. But ultimately, one thing is sure – even the greatest possible efforts to become more defensible and to work better together within Europe will take a long time to come even close to the capabilities that the United States of America has. So if only for reasons of security policy, we have to take an interest in still maintaining a solid partnership with the USA.
I think Germany’s geopolitical role is sometimes too heavily focused on military matters, though I realize defense capability is immensely important. But ultimately it’s our economic strength that will make the difference. The world appreciates us Germans not mainly for our values, but especially because of our economic abilities. And that’s why I would say “first things first,” or to echo Bill Clinton, “It's the economy, stupid.”
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